Posts by The Fall Guy

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My brain will explode

by Alex Bogdanov in

jw
friends

i am so tired to talk to jws that i know.

i think one day i will become rude and ingore them and avoid them.

every conversation ends like this-.

The Fall Guy

Ask any JW if the Catholic church's practice of voluntarily confessing to one priest is unscriptural.

They'll automatically want to say 'yes.'

Then ask them why J.W.'s are compelled to confess their serious sins to three elders? (scriptural backing?)

Matthew 18:15-17 says nothing about elders being involved when someone commits a serious sin.

In fact, Jesus explicitly stated that if a serious sin has been witnessed by someone, the matter should be resolved by the sinner and the witness. No one else was to be involved. Jesus never said anything about Christians having to confess to elders. (verse 16 is referring to other witnesses of the sin - not witnesses of the accusation)

Get them to read Matthew 18:17 & 1 Timothy 5:20, and then ask them, "So exactly who did Jesus & Paul say were to be informed of an unrepentant person's sin?" (obviously not just the kangaroo court!)

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On the reliability of the Watchtower

by Sergey Antonov in

hello!

could you give a link to the articles of the watchtower society, where they claim that information from the faithful and prudent slave comes from god and jesus christ.

and also, that magazines publish not people's thoughts, but god?.

The Fall Guy

w10 7/15 p. 23 par. 10 - ...."holy spirit helps responsible representatives of “the faithful and discreet slave” at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood."

In other words, the alleged faithful slave is not discerning deep truths - their representatives (helpers) are apparently fulfilling Matthew 24:45, by proxy. :)

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On the reliability of the Watchtower

by Sergey Antonov in

hello!

could you give a link to the articles of the watchtower society, where they claim that information from the faithful and prudent slave comes from god and jesus christ.

and also, that magazines publish not people's thoughts, but god?.

The Fall Guy

Some connected statements:

w56 6/1 p. 346 par. 11 - Therefore the slave’s will is Jehovah’s will. Rebellion against the slave is rebellion against God.

w57 6/15 p. 370 par. 7 - It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.

w83 1/15 p. 27 par. 20 - Would we know the way of the truth if it had not been for guidance from the organization? Really, can we get along without the direction of God’s organization?” No, we cannot!

w01 8/1 p. 14 par. 8 - a mature Christian must not...harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by......“the faithful and discreet slave.”

w10 7/15 p. 23 par. 10 - holy spirit helps responsible representatives of “the faithful and discreet slave” at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood.

w10 9/15 p. 8 par. 7 - Without the assistance of “the faithful and discreet slave,” we would neither understand the full import of what we read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it.

w06 9/1 p. 28 par. 5 - Hence, we are required to pray in Jesus’ name, recognizing Jesus as the sole channel through which God’s blessings are extended to all mankind.

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Things which must shortly take place!

by PJ Delaney in

things that must shortly take place... the true understanding of the “generation” mentioned at matthew 24:34 may soon be revealed!.

please watch the one minute youtube video and read the explanation in the videos description.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3i81uocm4k.

The Fall Guy

LOL Just came across this;

w94 2/15 p. 20 - “What Jesus spoke of as “great tribulation” and “a tribulation” in its first application (Jesus was so wrong in claiming it would never occur again!!!!) was the destruction of the Jewish system. But in verses that apply only to our day, he used the definite article “the,” saying “the tribulation.” (Matthew 24:21, 29; Mark 13:19, 24) Revelation 7:14 termed this future event “the great tribulation,” literally “the tribulation the great.””

JW's - Is this 'future' GT the same one spoken of earlier (in context) at Revelation 2:22, or as the WTBTS teaches, the one described at Matthew 24:21 which Jesus promised would never be repeated? Use your perceptive powers.

Tell a lie often enough and it'll be accepted as truth!

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The great 1914 turn around

by Sour Grapes in

i must say there is no other religion in modern times that has lied more to their cult followers than the watchtower company and no more brain dead, gullible cult members than the jdubs.. just three examples.

when russel was in charge 1914 was prophesied to be the end of the system of things with armageddon and the earthly paradise.

that didn't happen and poof now 1914 was not the end, oh no, it was the beginning of the end.. the second example, the generation that saw 1914 would not pass away before the end came, which meant in all jdubs minds that paradise had to be here in the late 1990's.

The Fall Guy

At 17 mins the fear & terror strategy is introduced to warn JW's to keep doing more and never miss any meetings.

Anyone who is not part of ~~the cult~~ "God's organization" is going to be toast!

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How do I make a comment or a reply in a thread?

by SWAT in

i don't see any way to comment, no matter what thread (topic) i am reading.

help!.

The Fall Guy

Welcome SWAT, I hope you have an enjoyable interchange of encouragement while you're here.

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Things which must shortly take place!

by PJ Delaney in

things that must shortly take place... the true understanding of the “generation” mentioned at matthew 24:34 may soon be revealed!.

please watch the one minute youtube video and read the explanation in the videos description.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3i81uocm4k.

The Fall Guy

Ireneus - sadly, most JW's (as most of us did!) adopt the org's perverted interpretation of what certain scriptures say, rather than what is actually written in black & white.

Jesus is recorded as saying, "Truly I say to YOU that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur."

He did not say "that generation", as if describing a generation 2000 years in the future; he said "this generation", pointing to his 1st century audience's generation.

And to confirm there could not be an alleged "greater fulfilment" of his prophecy, he said, "For then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.

"No, nor will occur again" means that it was never going to happen again.

At Colossians 1:23, Paul wrote that the good news (Matt.24:14) had now been preached in all the earth.

Mr Clarke's Commentary is very informative on the whole topic of Matthew 24. https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc/matthew-24.html

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Things which must shortly take place!

by PJ Delaney in

things that must shortly take place... the true understanding of the “generation” mentioned at matthew 24:34 may soon be revealed!.

please watch the one minute youtube video and read the explanation in the videos description.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3i81uocm4k.

The Fall Guy

Are you people 'The Watchtower'?

No - we're an independent community site offering support for both current and former Jehovah's Witnesses and anyone else who has been affected by the beliefs, doctrines and practices of the Jehovah's Witness religion as governed by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (WTB&TS).

We are not affiliated with the WTB&TS in any way and we take your privacy and security very seriously doing our utmost to protect your identity and provide a friendly, tolerant and informative environment where you can ask questions, share information and make new friends. Membership is completely free and anonymous so why not join today!

So much for "offering support," and being "friendly & tolerant."

Awakened and fading JW's need and are looking for such support and tolerance. Ridicule and verbal bullying are what many of us here attribute to the WTBTS.

Sadly, too many individuals here don't have the will-power to stop themselves from vilifying posts which in reality, they have zero interest or belief.

Dignify and respect (or just ignore!) other members' posts. Doing so will encourage others to join us.

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You are NOT alone !

by stuckinarut2 in

this post is mainly for our new forum visitors and members.

perhaps even those who are just lurking or visiting here but have not yet signed up.

maybe you are in the initial stages of researching and finding out the earthshattering and life changing information about the religion that you once held dear and called “the truth”.. it can be a very stressful period of time as you realise that your whole foundation has changed and that the people in your life that you call friends or family may not take kindly to the things you have discovered.

The Fall Guy

Thanks for the encouraging post Stuckinarut.

I hope that anyone who feels it's fair game to jump on newbies who still profess a faith - having exited the cult - will agree with your sentiments and unconditionally welcome those who are looking for comfort and reassurance.

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Do Circuit Overseers outrank Elders? Why can't they talk to disfellowshipped people?

by garyneal in

jw
friends

last sunday, our family went to the kingdom hall and i realized that this was the week that the circuit overseer was in town.

when we sat down, i noticed he came over and talked to her then he walked away i guess to talk to others.

a few minutes later, he returned to tell her that he could not talk to her because he was informed that she was disfelloshipped.

The Fall Guy

wt 15 4/15 p. 31 - "For the sake of reminding disfellowshipped ones of how they can return to Jehovah, elders may periodically visit those who have given some evidence of changing their ways."

J.W. friends/relatives would be punished for doing likewise. Some of "God's" laws don't apply to elders.

Read Animal Farm, JW's - "All men are equal, but some are more equal than others."